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Are there any longer or more generic than this:

> For any nonviolent offenses against the United States which they may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1 2014 through the date of this pardon (JAN 19, 2025).

https://pardonned.com/pardon/details/biden-family/

That’s 11+ years with no detail or description.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-...

> Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Not quite as long, but much more significant. (No violence exception, the criminal was the President, and they were crimes against the entire country, not some random drug/tax charges.)


Ford did real damage that day.

The real embarrassment is how little effort there's been to limit/reform the pardon system since then.

Pardons have valid uses, but it's wild that a single person can unilaterally pardon donators, family members, former presidents, etc, without needing so much as a simple majority confirmation vote in the House or Senate.

The questionable pardons that we've seen over the last few years (and the Nixon pardon) are just the tip of iceberg in terms of how badly they could be abused.

I'd imagine it won't be long until we see a president issue a preemptive pardon to themself at the end of their term, because there's nothing in the constitution that says they can't.


Isn't that the whole point of all these pardon things? To reduce incentives to usurp power to avoid responsibility by providing less destructive for the political system ways to avoid responsibility.

Or concretely, would the Israeli wars end sooner if Netanyahu was pardoned of all crimes? Would Kim Jong Un consider giving up his position if he could be pardoned, or at least credibly believe that he could live a life in luxurious exile? I don’t know the answer to either of those questions, but I do think letting some people get away with crimes with witness immunity can make it much more difficult for criminals to organize as the optimum move is to defect before anyone else does. Which is why I think elite blackmail focuses on unforgivable deeds.

> Would Kim Jong Un consider giving up his position if he could be pardoned, or at least credibly believe that he could live a life in luxurious exile?

The kind of despot that sends assassins against people in exile is unlikely to choose it themselves.


Hense the credible belief. The Russians did manage to step down from violence so it is possible.

May want to check Russian agression for years. They did not stepped down much.

Not Russia in general but their leadership succession

They're a release valve for "the system fucked up and permitted an injustice".

Avoiding responsibility isn't the goal, and shouldn't be possible.


> without needing so much as a simple majority confirmation vote in the House or Senate

This is intentional. Pardons are part of the checks and balances against the legislative branch.


In my country pardons very rarely happen because politicians would be massacred in the press for it.

It is political suicide- one of the perks of having 20 different parties.


Congress has tools at their disposal, like impeachment, to punish a sitting president if they want to.

Not sure if they can void an improper pardon, but it would nice if the threat of impeachment was more meaningful of a deterrent.


It’s in the Constitution. There isn’t that much anyone can do.

Haven't people 'done' something about the original wording about 27 times now?

The pardon power is.

Presidential immunity for, say, selling a pardon is very new.


Hmm. I feel like it isn’t over the history of the US and there was a period where US governance tended toward an ideal but the last 50 years have reverted to the norm. E.g Oliver North

So exactly when was that? Before 50 years ago, “Separate but Equal” was the law of the land as decided by the Supreme Court, laws against interracial marriage and laws against “sodomy” (homosexuality) were also upheld by the Supreme Court.

There is absolutely no point in US history that the US was “ideal”.

My still living parents grew up in the segregated south.


So perhaps the US was always an unjust shithole but I prefer to think the direction it was going was positive. It certainly isn’t positive now.

> It’s in the Constitution. There isn’t that much anyone can do.

We have modified the constitution before. It is not easy, sure. But, presidential pardons are being abused so thoroughly that it does warrant people making the effort to change things.


40% of the US like things just the way they are - didn’t you get the memo? America is “Great Again” now.

Interestingly, Ford received a Kennedy Award for pardoning Nixon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/22/us/ford-wins-kennedy-awar...


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We should have litigated it then. Nixon should have died in prison. It would have been a good precedent to set

Life in prison for Watergate?

1. It's good to hold people in certain positions of power to higher standards, especially when...

2. They commit an additional concurrent offense of abusing those powers and public trust for crime.


Yes.

If we put 3x caught pot dealers in for life, a corrupt President can certainly rot alongside them.

The more powerful you are, the more significant the penalties for abuse of that power should be, because the damage you can do is correspondingly large.


Don’t think the three strikes law you are referring to (3x nonviolent = life in prison) exists anymore. As it was generally regarded as a cruel mistake. Likewise with hanging politicians for lying…

"Time to move on" is used only when someone in power is guilty. Happened with Nixon. Mitch McConnell basically said the same thing about Trump after J6 insurrection. And I think Garland believed the same thing when he did not move fast enough to investigate Trump. People believe in law and order when rich and powerful face the same consequences as the common man for their crimes committed and not when they are let off the hook.

The US has many such instances unfortunately.


I do think Garland made a massive mistake. Nixon resigned; Trump did not. Nixon largely disappeared, as most former Presidents do during their successor's term. Trump was still communicating crimes and clearly intended more.

I'm drawing a kind of fine and possibly meaningless distinction here. I think Ford made the best decision he could at the time. Garland had the benefit of hindsight: he saw the way the corruption had become far deeper than the President himself. Garland should have known better.


> Nixon resigned; Trump did not.

Well, yeah. They learned from Nixon!

Fox News was founded by Roger Ailes with the explicit intent to prevent another Nixon situation. Not the "criminal President" part, mind you; the punished (Republican) President part.


So this was the first time (i think) anyone got a preemptive pardon, the actual warrant on the DOJ website says what it says.. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

Will have to crunch through the offenses in the db and see if anything else like this shows up.


Preemptive meaning they hadn't yet been convicted. Nixon was pardoned by Ford in this manner (for "all offenses against the United States" between Jan. 20, 1969—Aug. 9, 1974). Carter preemptively mass-pardoned draft dodgers, etc.

I did not know that. Thanks for the lesson.

That's when I learned you can be pardoned for future crime since the expiration was end of day. There's nothing stopping a president from signing blanket future pardons with a 100 year expiry. I'm amazed there wasnt any discussion when it happened.

Correct, as he should have

Look at what the Trump administration has done with the DOJ pursuing unwarranted indictments against anyone Trump doesn't like. All getting thrown out so far. And you lead with questioning why one of his constant targets would pardon his family? The bigger question is why this isn't more outrage at the GOP attempts to find something on Biden or Clinton. They have been wasting tax dollars while Coomer "investigates" for something that he has never been able to prove. I'd have pardoned everyone around me given that constant sustained and terrible attack. All the while the Trump grift machine continues without so much as a blink.

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> crime family

> So two wrongs have made a right in this case?

No, it was right to consider the possibility that Trump would violate the norms here. Letting the President right unaddressed wrongs is the entire reason the pardon power exists.

His own current Chief of Staff has similar concerns, and grand juries seem to be taking the same position; that these are just revenge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/us/politics/trump-susie-w...

"Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, told an interviewer that she forged a “loose agreement” with Mr. Trump to stop focusing after three months on punishing antagonists, an effort that evidently did not succeed. While she insisted that Mr. Trump is not constantly thinking about retribution, she said that “when there’s an opportunity, he will go for it.”"


The only reason he’s not constantly thinking about retribution is because he spends most of the time with his brain idle, or thinking of his next grift.



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