> I still think the separate UI(-flow) is worthwhile, but I guess I will die on this hill.
Oh, it's totes fine if this is configurable by the end user.
> Yes you can, that's what I claim. You convert the search results into a list and then you can use the filter as always.
I think there is some miscommunication: what I mean is what when you search anything, the search results are shown on a separate tab ie there is no way to search and stay on the main tab.
Sure, when you have the search results on a separate tab you can have the whole tab and place any usable controls there, precisely because this is a separate tab.
> Changing that to work on other not displayed folders will be very inconsistent
Yes, this is why I stress what if such functionality would be made it should clearly separate the filter and the search results, visually. Hell, even "N messages found in other folders" could be sufficient.
> You know you can press C--, right ?
Along with Ctrl+MWHEEL. It works but then the users starts to type with an additional empty line between the sentences and I need my vertical space back. Win11 with a forced taskbar at the screen bottom doesn't help.
> Maybe I have stockholm syndrome
Ahhah!
> since we won't get rid of that bar entirely, it will be completely empty besides that "hamburger" menu.
> Wait did you crop the search bar out, or is there a way to disable it???
Yep, this is the problem with the current UI iteration. You literally RMB -> Customize on it, remove the Search bar and... you are left with that empty space. And it is empty because this is a former toolbar. Without any buttons aside the hardcoded right-side hamburger. And this is why it so infuriating for me: sure "if I don't like the search bar I can just remove it", but it doesn't return back the place it uses!
NB: regarding the vertical toolbar - yes, you can but then it leaves the button on that former horizontal toolbar.
> Do you have disabled the button descriptions or why do I have them and you don't?
If you mean the quick filter buttons, then it does that automatically depending on the total TB windows width. On my 4k screen it shows the descriptions if the window width is > ~75% and on the laptop 1920 screen it doesn't show the descriptions even if maximized.
> I think you still didn't get my semantic argument about filtering vs. searching, but whatever.
I somewhat addressed this up there. I'm totally for having them both but I'm very against how TB's developers made it in the UI.
> what do you dislike about v102?
If you run it without the main menu then the tabs doesn't allow to grab the window to move it around, you need to specifically hunt for a 'tab-free' space. Sure, Firefox is the same - yet with TB this is somehow works way worse.
Two search boxes, search and filter actually but anyway, one on top of the other.
That useless vertical toolbar with a whopping 6 buttons, of which I need 1 (one).
Some other small inconveniences what I forgot about.
Oh, it's totes fine if this is configurable by the end user.
> Yes you can, that's what I claim. You convert the search results into a list and then you can use the filter as always.
I think there is some miscommunication: what I mean is what when you search anything, the search results are shown on a separate tab ie there is no way to search and stay on the main tab.
Sure, when you have the search results on a separate tab you can have the whole tab and place any usable controls there, precisely because this is a separate tab.
> Changing that to work on other not displayed folders will be very inconsistent
Yes, this is why I stress what if such functionality would be made it should clearly separate the filter and the search results, visually. Hell, even "N messages found in other folders" could be sufficient.
> You know you can press C--, right ?
Along with Ctrl+MWHEEL. It works but then the users starts to type with an additional empty line between the sentences and I need my vertical space back. Win11 with a forced taskbar at the screen bottom doesn't help.
> Maybe I have stockholm syndrome
Ahhah!
> since we won't get rid of that bar entirely, it will be completely empty besides that "hamburger" menu.
> Wait did you crop the search bar out, or is there a way to disable it???
Yep, this is the problem with the current UI iteration. You literally RMB -> Customize on it, remove the Search bar and... you are left with that empty space. And it is empty because this is a former toolbar. Without any buttons aside the hardcoded right-side hamburger. And this is why it so infuriating for me: sure "if I don't like the search bar I can just remove it", but it doesn't return back the place it uses!
NB: regarding the vertical toolbar - yes, you can but then it leaves the button on that former horizontal toolbar.
> Do you have disabled the button descriptions or why do I have them and you don't?
If you mean the quick filter buttons, then it does that automatically depending on the total TB windows width. On my 4k screen it shows the descriptions if the window width is > ~75% and on the laptop 1920 screen it doesn't show the descriptions even if maximized.
> I think you still didn't get my semantic argument about filtering vs. searching, but whatever.
I somewhat addressed this up there. I'm totally for having them both but I'm very against how TB's developers made it in the UI.
> what do you dislike about v102?
If you run it without the main menu then the tabs doesn't allow to grab the window to move it around, you need to specifically hunt for a 'tab-free' space. Sure, Firefox is the same - yet with TB this is somehow works way worse.
Two search boxes, search and filter actually but anyway, one on top of the other.
That useless vertical toolbar with a whopping 6 buttons, of which I need 1 (one).
Some other small inconveniences what I forgot about.