Buying stocks expecting them to go up is also gambling. How many stocks pay decent dividend these days?

most stocks pay dividends. The others tend to do buybacks. The only exceptions are recently IPOd companies. All the big tech companies are returning capital to shareholders.

> That is gambling, not investing. And you can lose lots of money by gambling.

Most trading professionals would not call it gambling if you have positive expectation and a process.

Positive expectation properly and repeatedly executed over time is a business.

Would you say a casino is gambling by offering table games to customers?

> Most trading professionals would not call it gambling if you have positive expectation and a process.

Most gamblers have a positive expectation and a process.

It's not gambling capitalising on stupid people's response to stupid people. Watch the market open today :)

How prescient. Wednesday was this for quite a few people.

Shorting also isn't investing. Try and stay on topic.