. Weapons or other technologies whose principal purpose or implementation is to cause or directly facilitate injury to people.
So if our enemies had no qualms at all about doing this, wouldn't it make sense that we have weapons that can at least counter, and potentially fight back? Would it be facilitating injury if the AI is used to stop an ISIS linked attack in our homeland?
> "Don't be evil"
Can evil also be interpreted as letting your government be impotent in protecting you?
He has, and has had, a specific moral philosophy he follows. When he took the job the public (and once he started, internal) words and actions of the company fit within that philosophy (or closely enough). Now the company has changed and they don’t fit. Further, the obvious changes happened without any real notice or explanation.
It seems reasonable in that situation to leave. FWIW; I was in the same situation, and left.
Do you fault him for his personal moral code? He is not telling you how you should act.
Describe that scenario to me. What precisely is the language model going to do? To defeat a _terrorist_ organization? I feel like this is way to asymmetric of a philosophy to actually work, but, I'm curious to know what your imagination holds on this one.
> Can evil also be interpreted as letting your government be impotent in protecting you?
The government _is_ impotent in protecting you. If they weren't we wouldn't need courts. Or a constitution. Or the revolution which started it.
Finally, there is an argument to be made, that our government, and it's imperious ways, were the primary force which led to the creation of ISIS in the first place. Perhaps if we weren't telling lies about yellow cake and mobile chemical labs while indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians we wouldn't be facing such a ridiculous world security posture.
You must be one of those people asking to free Karmelo?
Some things are just simple. ISIS is a terrorist organization you're carrying water for. Most of the mission of ISIS is simply spread Islam and kill infidels. Islam had that charter prior to the creation of America by the way.
I'm not a pacifist, but I wouldn't work in any place related to the US military for the simple reason that it is mostly used to wage wars of aggression these days, or provide materiel to other countries that do. Stop doing that and then we can seriously talk about defensive military tech. I left NVIDIA in part because it is too heavily involved in these things (and Palantir and Anduril specifically).
Regarding this specifically:
> Would it be facilitating injury if the AI is used to stop an ISIS linked attack in our homeland?
it again depends on what exactly said AI does. If it's used to surveil most people most of the time, for example, then that probably does reduce the odds of an ISIS-linked attack on US, but the surveillance itself would be a greater injury at that scale.
I have met pacifists who say all war is bad* and thus the Russia Ukraine war should immediately end, without any ideas on how to get that to happen except a few who imply Ukraine should roll over and be consumed.
If you actually read the article you'd know that the Googles government isn't friendly with the author's government, which makes your nitpicking nonsensical.
>Can evil also be interpreted as letting your government be impotent in protecting you?
When they rename "Department of Defense" to "Department of War", there can be no mistake about the intention of the government. They aren't "protecting" us, they are actively starting unnecessary wars, because cruelty has always been the point for them.
Did you just realize this now? The name "Department of Defense" has always been a euphemism. The last time we were in a defensive war was World War II--ironically, when the DoD was still called the "Department of War."
It’s not “whataboutism” because it’s relating to the same event, not a different event. In context of the facts, it seems like your complaint is that the name is being changed to accurately reflect what the DOD was already doing.
I don't know, it seems like being a pacifist is harder, since it exposes you to violence to which you cannot retaliate while alienating you from your peers with less stringent moral opinions. Doesn't seem like it really makes anything easier. You don't have to look hard to find that history is replete with pacifists who paid social and legal penalties for their moral stance.
He also said that "defense" was "different", so he's not that principled.
I assume if he actually felt threatened personally he wouldn't have any issues with developing weapons (through full-disk encryption or unbreakable DRM or locking people out of their devices or whatever).
This shit's happening with every topic now. I really wish we'd just start cutting out massive blocks of internet and phones so our old people are not scammed, so our young are not radicalized and our leaders convinced something crazy is happening any more.
America already lost the battle. Multiple administrations on both sides of the aisle have reported China having access to America's lawful intercept wiretap system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon
No amount of authoritarian backpedaling will put the genie back in the bottle. They've got blackmail on our politicians, backdoors in our telecoms, and Chinese apps at #1 on the App Store. America is paying for "freedom" through the nose right now, the will to quit using social media and smartphones has to come from within.
> America is paying for "freedom" through the nose
if you ask people on the street i think more than half of them will say they dont care if china gets ahead. even with conservatives who dont like china its more about keeping the american way of life as in "i dont want them to bring communism here", not some global clash of civilizations thing. if they really hated china those apps would never get to #1. its obvious that american citizens want more friendly relations or at least keeping it at the current level instead of tariffs and war mongering.
the only ones who really want a cold war is the corrupt national security industrial complex, think palantir and anthropic and lockheed martin. theres a lot of money to be made from selling overpriced missiles to the air force and forcing americans to use bad quality more expensive ai providers after the chinese or eu based get banned for "security" reasons.
even the fact that "national security" exists as a concept separate from public security means theres a big misalignment in the system. the purpose of a state is to serve and protect its people, not secure its power or even its own existence. as long as the cia, nsa, ice, dea and all the other agencies are allowed to do influence ops on their own citizens america cant be a true democracy. and the same goes for the uk, china, india, germany, really any country thats big and powerful enough that this kind of corruption can start.
I did analysis on this with Codex by pulling the vote data for Raman, Pratt, Bass. It definitely said that the vote changes were concerning, but possibly explainable if we new if the batches were significant different areas rather than just more votes in the same general areas.
What happened was there were a lot of boomers that taught my generation in the bay area. So when I was in high school around 94-98 the teachers were typically 40-50ish year old boomer generation. These people were pretty good at teaching. Mostly white. As generation X started getting into the game, and bureaucratic processes the introduced "core" and "new math". Both pretty bad. I was in the middle of the transition so I did get pre-new-math as well.
What happened next? Well pretty much all of us got jobs at Google, Apple and other places. The only way for any of us to have stayed in teaching would have been major compromises. We decimated the teaching industry because it didn't realize the salaries these companies were waiting to pay us. They had no chance.
This situation rhymes with manufacturing jobs in the midwest.
Industrial and manufscturing jobs were offshored to Asia and Americans had zero chance to be price competitive relative to East-Asian labor
The diff is that Midwest didnt have Apple and Google to fall back on, they only had fentanyl to cope with their situation.
But now the situation is so bad, you cant even find talent in US even if you are willing to pay for it. Asian countries have better integrated supply chains that make manufacturing two to three orders cheaper than in US.
And nobody knows how to solve it, but there is only one solution.
End the USD as a global reserve currency, so that manufacturing in US has more power again, relative to financial industry. I dont see any other option long term
> given my orthopedist told me to stay away from anything that’s heavy on the knees, “like tennis, skiing, or, say, snowboarding,”
Obviously not knowing the background of this person, maybe they really have bad knees, but without more info, they could simply have an orthopedist that says this to all his clients, to help all of them not have problems in the future - no matter the current state.
I have decided long ago to not let anyone, especially experts, dictate what I can and can't do.
The 100B+ of hospice/daycare/and multiple other medicare related fraud schemes that is happening every year. Perpetrated by the people that keep saying things like "communism was never implemented right" or "make the rich pay their fair share".
But the reality is, if all the excess tax money that is collected does not go to where the problems are, and is just being boarded onto a plane in a bag with 2M dollars headed to Mogadishu - then you can't blame capitalism for the mess we're in.
I don't understand how this is a counterargument to the article's claim that capitalism is to blame for the declining birthrate around the world. Could you connect the fraud to the birthrate for me?
The opposite of capitalism is some form of socialism or communism. We know that it CAN'T work (at least in America) because all of the extra money to help people is stolen. So Capitalism is better than any other form of getting money in people's pockets. More money in pockets means more chances for babies.
The reality is we need to fix all the jobs being sent to people from other countries. The stat just came out that in the last 5 years 90% of the jobs went to foreign born people. We also need to reverse the climate doomerism that's pushing people to lose faith in life in general.
Can you ask both your questions at once instead? Also please argue in good faith, the 3rd or 4th most hit topic in the last 5 months has been the amount of Fraud we've been enveloped in. To ask your original question like that reeks of disingenuity.
Just a reminder that actual adult scientists at the ACS (American Chemical Society) have calculated (for all to see) that the excess heat being trapped just over the continental USA since 1750 is about 28 500 Hiroshima bombs.
We have entered an era where everything we used to take for granted is under attack. We need to figure out ways to harden our society's services so that they are protected from these attacks. Everything that is vulnerable will be taken advantage of. It used to be that no one would try to scam medicaid because 2 things: a) social contract b) consequences.
It seems like post-pandemic many consequences just disappeared. It might be a) lack of oversight, b) oversight is present but higher ups say skip, c) something insidious is actually taking over.
I don't want America to just be ripped to shreds over greed and everyone getting theirs before the it's all gone. But I don't know how to solve everything if people are seemingly corrupted at the top.
So if our enemies had no qualms at all about doing this, wouldn't it make sense that we have weapons that can at least counter, and potentially fight back? Would it be facilitating injury if the AI is used to stop an ISIS linked attack in our homeland?
> "Don't be evil"
Can evil also be interpreted as letting your government be impotent in protecting you?