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Yes, the famous debate between plumbing and porcelain

Still the porcelain is more like cold stainless steel


Sounds like creating an url like aspnet_client/admin.php returning a WebObjects header might be a good hobby

Add in a zip bomb or two?

Now you have me wondering how badly http gzip content compression can be abused along those lines.

> It's why looking at the horizon on a boat helps.

Yes it helps. As in getting you back to "barely normal". (Also you can't do anything around the boat because you're looking at the horizon)

The theory make sense but some people have the thing turned to 11


Once it starts for me, it's not stopping for at least a couple hours, even if I immediately get back on solid ground.

But I used to get sick playing Quake, so maybe I'm in the 11 group.


Do you retain the sensation that everything is still wobbling? I would get that after being on a boat for long enough. Though motion sickness never made me feel ill to my stomach, rather it just gives me the worst headaches that require fresh air and time to relieve.

Just nausea for me. What you're describing sounds like the recovery phase of sea legs.

Maybe the real Mythos secret is that it found out it could fit on a GPT2 size model

The psyop about "only shipping clean code" has been a big drag on projects

On the real world, if it runs and solves their problem nobody gives a fucc. Period

Props on him.


Watch how developers breathlessly defend code quality and stand tall ready to die on the hill against "AI slop". Craftsmanship, quality control, oh, it's all so, so important. No, it's absolutely vital to civilization.

Then witness the amazing reversal when some member of The Tribe pushes unbelievably unreadable slop that works. Then we see his Ring getting kissed by all the betas: "if it work, it works".

Pick a side. Quality is important or not?


To call out The Tribe as hypocritical, you first need The Tribe to have a consensus opinion. Agentic coding in particular has been very polarizing both on HN and in the developer community at large - there is no consensus opinion.

I think "quality" (quoted to keep the term vague) is important for long-term maintainability of software at scale (>1 developer). However, working / shipped / earning code is always better than quality code that isn't used in production.

ffmpeg, facebook, claude, twitter etc might not have existed if the authors focused on quality over shipping.



>some member of The Tribe >his Ring getting kissed >all the betas

Wow the quality of online discourse is really in the gutter.


Before AI Slop most code quality that ran in production was shit, that's the GP's point. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply did not have to come in contact with a wide variety of code in their job.

Yet these same developers, these slop machines, are willing to die for "craftsmanship" and "code quality" when they are threatened by statistics. I don't see how you addressed my point.

Nuance is not your specialty, clearly

This is a case of tribalism, absolutely zero rationality and people will do mental gymnastics or get nasty if you try to force it. These people have decided that they HATE AI, and LOVE gooning on famous programmers, and public stances they take will support that, logic or consistency be damned.

Makes sense at first sight

But then you see people with very questionable morals having made a key discovery or having produced a fundamental technology. Reality is complicated


"The beauty of their women and the taste of their food made the British the best sailors in the world."

Those Claude tokens are not cheap you know /s

I believe that restrictions like these: "only for US nationals present" are also to facilitate prosecution if needed

bingo

Pepperidge farm remembers when they banned G4 Macs for export as well

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