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If american corps do not want to play according to European rules: go ahead, just stop doing business in Europe. Europe will be fine! Understand that there are other things than the US‘s commercial interests even though it seems ATM that’s everything the US is: commercial interests. On the east, on the west: Wake up!


> Europe will be fine!

Unfortunately, no. Europe is not fine and won't be fine anytime soon. CloudFlare's situation is one of the cases.


Doing business is different in the EU as it is different in China or Russia. If you want it to be not different, work in globalization not America first.

Europe was fine until it got disrupted by Russia and the US. But that has nothing to do with this topic here. This is just a company not following a local law. Nothing special in the law (it is shitty like any IP law) or the case here.


I don't fear getting shot by police. Or fear for my kid's while he's in school. Or medical debt

We can live without cloudflare



Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel) There was an article about Dune on DLF (sorry it‘s in German) that makes exactly this point https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/denken-ueber-tausend-generati...


See "Zero Day: Stuxnet and the Launch of the World's first Digital Weapon" by Kim Zetter for many more details about Stuxnet.


It's sad, I have to agree. I feel like we (yes, all of us) are missing great opportunities by concentrating too much on directly monetizable ("work-related") knowledge in our educational systems. It's just shortsighted and works against intrinsic motivations to learn.

That being said I learned about cybernetics in a sociology class. Getting to know Shannon, Wiener, Von Foerster, George Spencer Brown ("Laws of Form" highly recommended reading) and Luhmann was the most interesting stuff I ever got to learn.


For Android there is https://github.com/jcs/triptracker -- which I did not try yet..


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