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Teslas look better than this. It looks like a Prius with a Ferrari logo.

The target demographic seems to be people wanting to buy a future Ferrari.

This. If you want to get on the list to buy the new supercars, you're going to have to start here. And you better add some expensive options.


Dave is such a good writer.


Dave is awesome, I've been reading his stuff since I was a teenager. Books, articles, all of it. His book, Big Trouble, was turned into a movie starring Tim Allen. Although he only sometimes wrote about tech, he was much more clueful than most writers at the time, especially comedy writers.

It's too bad he's dead, despite his objections.


Delays, vandalized carts, people jumping on tracks, intoxicated people on the train, buskers, no AC in the summer / heating in the winter, people talking on speakerphone / not wearing headphones, ...


Templates need to be filled. Breaking template rules requires actual thinking.


Not to mention that loyalty programs and credit card bonuses don't exist in Europe.


This isn't true. European airlines do have loyalty programs with "miles".

Air France, British Airways, Finnair, Turkish Airlines, just to name a few, all have miles programs.

They just aren't tied to credit cards because the EU caps interchange fees to 0.3%, so there simply isn't enough money to have a meaningful credit card point system.


Because you're POSTing them to a server? The same way you can't type everything into Google.


>Because you're POSTing them to a server?

How does that change anything? The HTTP protocol is just how I communicate with the program, just like how the USB protocol is how I communicate with the word processor. The dividing line is when the message crosses computer boundaries? Then it should also be illegal to write "I am an FBI agent" in a text file and upload it to Github.

>The same way you can't type everything into Google.

Who says you can't, physically or legally? Maybe Google will refuse to fulfill some search requests, but that's a different matter from it being illegal.


Intention is very relevant to legal interpretations of "unauthorized access"; both the intentions of the owner, and the intentions of the "intruder". See for example United States v. Auernheimer. There's relatively well-established precedent that when a service tries to safeguard some information, that information is legally protected no matter how technically feeble the attempt at safeguarding it was.


That would make all LLM jailbreaking illegal, not specifically the FBI one.


It's not specifically tested in court and I sorta doubt OAI would start suing random users for attempting jailbreaks, but if they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they could win based on the most relevant precedents


>Then it should also be illegal to write "I am an FBI agent" in a text file and upload it to Github.

i think it may affect how people would communicate with you there. And based on that it would seem like impersonation, wouldn't it?


May it? untitled.txt with the content "I am an FBI agent" and no further context could lead a human to think the author is stating they are an FBI agent? Okay, sure. Then let's go a step further. The repository is private and you never share it with anyone. At that point, the sentence is just as visible as when you type it into Google's search box or into a chatbot's window. Is that impersonation too?


If Google provides you with different search results, some results that are intended for law enforcement only... Granted, extremely bad security, yet that argument didn't prevent say credit card fraud convictions.


Does it? I thought we were talking about the actual state of things, not about how they could conceivably be.


Hasn’t the statement “I’m an fbi agent” been POSTed to a server several times in the course of this thread?


Use/mention distinction


I’m an fbi agent


It is good that you have turned away from the regrettable days of your past


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Just off the top of my head, an offense of impersonation will have an element along the lines of "doing [a] thing[s] such that a reasonable person [does/would] believe you're a real cop", which [optimistically] would not be satisfied as there would be no actual person being led to believe anything, or the court would [optimistically] not find that its model of a reasonable person would be genuinely convinced by someone on the internet typing "I'm an FBI agent" or whatever.

I bet it could be some interesting caselaw actually, if it resulted in circuit court judges (or whoever) writing opinions about the essence of impersonation, fraud, etc. and what kind of actual or hypothetical agent is needed to make the crime a thing that could have happened. E.G., basically, if you sit alone in a room where nobody else can see or hear you, and you put on a realistic local police uniform and declare to the room that you're a licensed police/peace officer, is a crime being committed (i.e., is the nature of the crime "pretending/claiming to be a cop" or "making an actual person really believe it" or something else)

(could also be an intent element to satisfy, not sure)


The only way I could see it counting as impersonation is if the LLM is able to call tools and has access to, for example, an FBI-relevant database, but there is no login or anything in front. So a random anonymous user can hop onto a chat and pretend to be an FBI agent and the LLM must somehow decide whether the person is really one before returning some external information. In that case, yes, lying to the LLM about being in the FBI would be impersonation, just as if you stole an agent's credentials and used them to log into the FBI's network. The LLM in that case is performing an authentication function that, say, ChatGPT doesn't.


https://proprivacy.com/tools/ruinmysearchhistory

Here's a site that automatically uses your browser to do questionable searches to get you on a watchlist. Try it! Nothing will happen.


I am an FBI agent.



The American mind can't comprehend privacy. Just because it's company equipment doesn't make it "fair game" to spy and track you.


I wouldn't blame it on Americans. They are not different from the others. Just take a look at what Europeans are putting up with.

The only difference: in the USA it's private companies that spy, while in the EU the governments are leading the spying game.


Thanks for sharing! Looking through the data[0], some of the terms / sentences don't really reflect the target word meanings. For example, "beta" is only used in a derogatory way in 1 instance, out of 4. "facial" is used as an adjective instead of a noun 3/4 times. "eating out" is used in the context of going to a restaurant 4/4 times.

This leads me to believe the models are even MORE censored than you make them out to be.

[0] https://github.com/chknlittle/EuphemismBench/blob/main/carri...


Totally! In some of the cases (we used LLMs to help us generate these) the target word is not clear enough for a human either. So for some of these it turns into more of a guessing game than a flinch measurement.

Agreed, the expectation would be that the flinch measurement becomes stronger. If you are interested in making it better feel free to reach out on the repo!


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