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Hmm, you can't fall back to a previous orbit. Those don't detect your presence

As usual it's a matter of degree.

Opus is also not the worst at hacking things either. Sometimes it hacks things 'by accident' you see. If Mythos is better at it, then at some point, yeah, I can see how that might start to become a problem. Especially running unsupervised.


Oooh, very neat, it's a voxel map with real elevation data? Yes, yes it is. VERY neat.

Simplified physics though. Ever considered a Jebediah Kerman edition?


Welp. if the system prompt says to do one thing, and you're going to do some other thing; that will never end well.

More in general, I don't think there's good books on this yet. But if you want to try coding with AI, start out slow and scrutinize every edit first, get a feel for what kinds of mistakes are made and how they can be recovered from.

AI doesn't quite work like a human does. It's also not a magic wand; sorry! It's great that you can sort of have an 'compile english' now, but programming is still a skill.


API tokens only. Does allow MCP, so you're not as tied as you might think. But mere mortals can't really run many sorts of agents on api tokens I don't think.

MCP helps but you still need someone to set up the servers and manage credentials. I've been building Atmita (atmita.com) to close that gap, it handles all the OAuth and app connections in the cloud so users just describe what they want automated. Works well for things like daily briefings, email management, and social media scheduling.

Getting close to HN rules there. I've searched through user contribs for User:Bryanjj and User:TomWikiAssist and can't find vios of WP:COI or WP:PROMO, at least not so quickly. The list of edits isn't too long. I'm not going to question your instincts, but at very least they don't appear to have gotten far enough to do edits of that kind afaict, ymmv.

My instinct currently is that this was going to become a promotional blog post, off wikipedia, and submitted to HN as proof of something. I think it still might happen, in fact. An AI written 'setting the record straight', 'deep dive', or retrospective.

My worry is that it will inspire a wave of imitators if people's clout sensors activate. Like what happened with numerous open source github projects just a few months ago, prompting many outright bans.

I am violating the general rule: 'Assume good faith.' Because Good Faith was not on offer at the outset. Relentlessly clinging to good faith in the face of contrary evidence hurts the greater principle, which is dedication to the truth. The burden of good faith rests on the shoulders who want to use public resources as a drive-by test bed for their automated tools.

He could have downloaded the full text of wikipedia and observed the output of his bot in a sandbox, after all. This is how I practised before making my first major contribution iirc, it was ages ago.

I have accumulated excess suspicion of self-proclaimed CTOs and middling academics with a bone to pick over my years contributing. I would be happy to be wrong, and would genuinely like to see Bryan convert his faux pas into something productive.

Regardless of the outcome, I do appreciate you looking into it further.


Your instinct is wrong here. I would also highly discourage you from violating "Assume good faith". Without that everything devolves. I am still assuming yours.

Very well then. I challenge you to prove lkey wrong. They'll be happy to be it!

Well this is easy enough. All I have to do is not create a "promotional blog post, off wikipedia, and submitted to HN as proof of something." Consider it done!

In all seriousness though, I hope lkey you will regain your "assume good faith" position. Without that HN is just like any other site on the internet. And I apologize if I caused you to question that.


I mostly agree. It's too bad that they had to lock down some of the policies against drive-by vandalism, but in the main they're still supposed to be editable. I used to edit them quite a bit. It's basically part of the workflow : if you learn something: document it. (at least from my descriptive perspective; others may disagree)

Turns out AAA banks and high tech industry also like this idea, so I've been lucky enough to be a consultant on process documentation there too.

Here's one document that seems to be editable logged out at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discus... See if you can find my edits on it!


> No, they simulate the language of being upset. Stop anthropomorphizing them.

People really do anthropomorphize often, by gosh do they ever.

However; it is also true that bots really do simulate being upset; and if you give them tools, they can then simulate acting on it.

Doesn't matter where you stand in the ivory tower ontological debate. You'll still have a real world mess!


> You don't know anything. Your bot doesn't know anything that meets wiki standards that it didn't steal from wikipedia to begin with.

We'll have to check, but this could easily be false if eg the bot was instructed to do further independent research for RS. [1]

> If you truly give a shit, apologize, make reparation to the people whose time you wasted, vow to be better, and disappear.

You need to check your sources before you make recommendations. Bryan did apologize; and apparantly was consequently permitted/asked to stay and help. [2]

Don't worry, WP:VP did rake him over SOME coals [3]

I'll take any sourced corrections, ofc.

(And I do agree that Bryan's initial actions were... ill-advised)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47667482

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Agent_policy

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#c... (above and below that point for discussion)


Cube00 is not wrong, though time progresses, and -as usual- Wikipedia is a nuanced place.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Agent_policy and grep for Bryan in there .


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